date = a year of marriage

In this poem you expericance/see how Holden goes through this date and how it translates to marriage today, and how everything looks alright but by the end of the marraige things turn for the worst. enjoy XD

In the moment, It sounds all good
Those three words, you know them
But they are all a lie – at least to me
Cause’ man, when I’m crazy
It’s hard to see

Kind of blurry – but looks kinda nice
That it doesn’t even matter anymore…
They’ll all do fine –
But man, when I’m crazy
It’s hard to see

When I thought my patience was short –
That was all forgotten soon, cause’ she looked swell
Who gives a damn if she’s late? Nobody
I’m tellin’ ya man…I’m crazy
And it’s getting’ a little easier to see

Some of the things that are said
I really can’t stand - but just when you think they’re done
They keep goin’ at it again!
There’s no doubt that I’m goin’ crazy man
Cause I’m startin’ to make out those images, im startin’ to see

Damn stubborn girls – why don’t they understand?
That the things they want to do…aren’t fun
That they’re a royal pain in the ass
I’m crazy
But can see perfectly– for now

Phoebe

Phoebe... the relationship between Holden and Phoebe is really strong/ i think its one of the strongest relationships that Holden has with any family member. When Holden gets the record for Phoebe i think it shows that Holden is being nice, and thoughtful. And also he talks about how fond Phoebe is of him. Also i think that Holden has more of a connection because he seems to like younger kids/little kids. We see this when he sees the little boy humming...he become facinated. Then when he ties the little girls skates - it shows how caring he is towards the younger kids and wouldnt mind at all doing them a favor. Where we know Holden will do favors for other people like he did stradlater...but with the kids its a no doubt about it thing.
Though Phoebe to me has the greatest connection. Sally Hayes playes a big role also because she is the first person that Holden has actually opend up to besides us. The thing about Sally though is that she represents most of the things that Holden thinks are phonies. how she always says "Marvalous", and in the book she says grand a couple times too. And when Holden opens up to Sally - its like he is telling all the phonies (and or everything he considers phonie) off. Holden is sharing his true opinions here to what is representing the biggest phonie of them all. I think that this shows how Holden is growing in confronting his issues.

The kid was swell. he was walking in the street, instead of on the sidewalk, but right next to the curb. he was making out like he was walking in a very straight line, the way kids do, and the whole time he kept singing and humming. i got up closer so i could hear what he was singing. he was singing that song, "if a body catch a bod coming through the rye." He had a pretty little voice too. He was just singing for the hell of it, you could tell. the cars zoomed by, brakes screeched all over the place, his parents paid no attention to him, and he kept on walking next to the curb and singing "if a body catch a body coming through the rye." it made me feel better. it made me feel not so depressed any more.

- What about this moment made Holden feel better and less depressed? is it because the boy was just being himself, being a kid like Holden may wish he could be. In this moment to me the little boy embodies the care free, just wants to make himself happy, oblivious little kid. This boy is just trying to make himself happy, not noticing the cars going by because he is just living in the moment. The boy is being a kid, not worried about the world today or whats going to happen tomorrow or where he's going. As where Holden i think wishes that he could just step back. That he himself could or should just stop worrying about his parents, Allie, Jane. but fulfill what he wants to do with his life. stop trying to make everyone happy and just worry about himself and what he really wants/needs to do.

sunny and the nuns

When Holden met Sunny he just wanted to talk. He was embarassed. "i didnt feel sexy" Holden says. He feels sad for sunny, because the whom ever she bought her green dress from didnt know that she was a prostitute. Then when Holden met the nuns he was embarassed also. he was embarassed when he accidently blows smoke into the nun's faces for example. Through these two people he talks to we can see that he does care about the well being of these people. That he cares about his image. The ways he cares about his image and what people think is comforting to know and to be able to get back to being human where you cant not care about what other people think. This vonurability that Holden is showing us comforts me and makes his character more relateable. In chapters 14 and 15 i personally think that we have found more about Holden with his views and opinions.

unaccepting

"Glad to've met you" - to somebody im not at all glad i met. if you want to stay alive, you have to say that stuff, though.
at first i wasn't really sure if Holden realized that he was being a phony here or not. But when i read it over a couple times it really seems as though Holden is making an excuse for himself. that the phony things he does are just things that people have to do if they want to survive life. Which really makes me upset because it shows me that Holden cant take responsibility for himself. that its never HIS fault, but rather something else - It's like he is giving himself a get out of jail free card.

Depressed

In chapters 12 and 13 i think that maybe on every single page Holden was either talking about how people or things were phony, or how depressed he is. A couple of things he talks about being phony is the piano player Ernie and Lillian Simmons. Then when he goes on to talk about how things are depressing is "New York's terrible when somebody laughs on the street very late at night. You can hear it for miles. It makes you feel so lonesome and depressed." He also talks about being depressed when he is walking and his hands are freezing and he is depressed about his gloves. When Holden says things are depressing it seems like he is saying that just because he can, and its just something to say. Almost like a word filler - like he doesn't mean it he is just saying/ making a comment. These things bother me about Holden because i can never figure out what he means when he says this is depressing because he says it so much you don't know if he is serious or not. Also i don't think that we have enough information on what connections these "depressing" things have with Holden. Either way to me its kind of annoying because to me its like he is saying things even though he doesn't mean it...which does lead into him being a compulsive liar.

Child? or Adult?

So far in the chapters we have read its clear now that Holden is going through the phase of transitioning from a child to an adult. When Holden and Stradlater are fighting, its obvious that Holden is being a bit of a child. But another thing that Holden does where he acts like a child is handling situations. For example... when Allie died Holden punched out the garage windows, that to me shows that he doesn't know how to handle situations like that. And in no way do i think that its all Holden's fault, because his parents should be helping him cope with it a healthy way. But at the same time it isn't necessarily his parents fault either- because they might not know how to handle situations well either. But by not handling situations well, it goes to him always flunking out of school. As Morgan said in class "Holden might be afraid to stay in one spot for to long because he starts to get connected to it. Then he gets scared and doesn't know what to do, so he leaves." Also by acting out Holden may be trying to get attention. And since i think he doesn't want to be like his brother (good) because he is afraid, so he trys to get attention the bad way. I think that acting out or doing bad things is a way to get attention. Also it may be to get attention from his parents...to get them to care for him as they did Allie

The Adult things that Holden does is he is able to look at life with reality. He lets himself know and not sugar coat things and realizes them for what they truly are. Also as Holden's sympathetic kicks in you can see that he tells people what they want to hear. During chapter eight he does this a lot. Holden tells a classmates mother about how popular and modest her son is. But in reality in Holden's perspective he is really a bastard. Reading chapters 9-11 it showed me that Holden is trying to act old. This is shown when he decides to hit on the woman and attempts to pick them up. Also when he is in the lounge place and trys to order himself an alcholholic beverage.

The way Holden acts between child and adult is what i think a lot of teens are going through today because they are trying to show/prove to an adult figure that they are mature so the other adult gives them a higher level of respect. But also like Holden we want to hold on to that innocence of not always being in control of what we do.